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Air Asia X - Up The Front

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Has anybody traveled on Air Asia X. I will be flying them out of Don Muang airport in early Feb to Seoul, a good 5.5 hours flight. I am traveling in the big seat up front so anybody got an experience, I am sure it won't be as good as business on a normal full service airline but at less than the one way price for normal economy on most other airlines I thought I would give it a go.

Any experiences guys.

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Haven't flown Airasia X but I find that if I try to think of seats like these as economy premium when comparing to other airlines it helps me enjoy the experience. I flew on one of Norwegian Air's first Oslo-BKK flights up front and hated it as I was comparing it to my previous flight up stairs on Emirates. This last trip the company paid for an economy ticket on Norwegian, f@ckin cheap c@nts, and after the hell of the outward journey I was happy to pay sit up front on the return leg.

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Haven't flown Airasia X but I find that if I try to think of seats like these as economy premium when comparing to other airlines it helps me enjoy the experience. I flew on one of Norwegian Air's first Oslo-BKK flights up front and hated it as I was comparing it to my previous flight up stairs on Emirates. This last trip the company paid for an economy ticket on Norwegian, f@ckin cheap c@nts, and after the hell of the outward journey I was happy to pay sit up front on the return leg.

Cheers for that. They say it converts to a flat bed so may more of the old First class seats style all facing front. Only 12 seats up front 2 x 2 x 2 in 2 rows. Heh I get free 40 kilos plus a Phad Thai meal, can't be all that bad lol

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air asia have overshot a runway today at kalibo airport in the phillipines,certainly the Malaysian airlines are having a hard time at the moment

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If your time is up it's up. I am flying Air Asia X on 02 Feb, looking forward to it. Hope I make the flight.

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I few air Asia 5 or 6 years back both flights were running late and several customers were saying that was par for the course

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Yes I have flown up front Perth to K/L with Airasiax and it was very nice indeed with the lie flat seats.

Here is a tip for anyone who flies Airasia x, get on to their website and join up to optiontown (free) and you book a normal cattle class flight then you can pay a fee to join a "raffle" for an upgrade to any unsold business class seats (cost me $110 in May this year) and it includes $25 kg luggage and a meal and if you are unsuccessful you get refunded about $100) I have a friend with us here this trip and he got upgraded on Dec 19 and was well impressed and is hoping to score an upgrade on his return trip in Jan 6.

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I fly around a couple of dozen flights per year with Air Asia and very seldom do I have a delay of more than 15 mins, it was different a few years back though.

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flew japan with airasia few months ago. tis bloody awful. seats very small, recline 1 inch. food i vile and there is no service for the first 4 hours of a 5.5 hr flight. coming back upgrded to business. still worse than normal cattle anywhere lse. same food, still no booze and staff that dont give a shit. tkae sleeping pills mate, u will need them

<br />Flew to Bali with them last year, first and last time I'll fly any distance with a budget airline. By the time we paid all the add ins, priority seating, food, drinks etc, it wasn't much cheaper than a conventional airline. Terrible seating and service.

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IATA is very concerned with a lot of SEA LCC that are blooming like mushrooms - LoS included

Clearly the airlines infrastructure and airline management are not up to decent global standards

They could never manage anything decently anyways - let alone a hi-tech industry like aircraft

Fernandes is a cheap-skate, he aint no Branson - despite all the friendly chat, BS camaraderie

Its all about mitigating risk - no muslim pilots, no wars zones, no solo space-cadet pilots, ever

Germanwings liability might very well kill off Lufthansa, if all families get lawyered-up properly

Cant beat Cathay, Emirates, Singapore, et al, they are run by real pros and that is never cheap

Have never understood why IATA does not demand disclosure of the pilots, CV, etc on each flight

The 3x third world [muslim] airline/aircraft + I EU wrecks were a complete disaster, unnecessary

Its like buying a $25 bogus Rolex and getting shot for it by some gangbanga - stupid - dont do it

Bon Voyage

Jack

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Some interesting points Jack, but what good would a CV be to anyone travelling as a passenger and who has no idea of the industry ?

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<br />Flew to Bali with them last year, first and last time I'll fly any distance with a budget airline. By the time we paid all the add ins, priority seating, food, drinks etc, it wasn't much cheaper than a conventional airline. Terrible seating and service.

Thats exactly why I wont ever again fly a budget airline.Once was enough

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Its all about mitigating risk - no muslim pilots, no wars zones, no solo space-cadet pilots, ever

Some interesting points Jack, but what good would a CV be to anyone travelling as a passenger and who has no idea of the industry ?

I have always viewed knowledge as being essential to make informed decisions - its what us honkeys do

If the PIC & 2IC have names like Mohamed & Iqbal, I wouldnt touch them with a bargepole - I consider

Sir Tim Clark [Emirates] to be one of the top operators in the world, slap-bang, in the middle of Islam

His flight deck is only American, Canadian, English, etc .... not muslim-one to be seen anywhere, except

paying passengers - he also saved EADS from bankruptcy by buying the big fat frog flying sausage by the

truck load - the service in Dubai is exemplary - great to stop off, shower, cooked breakfast, couple drinks

It mitigates the extra time on the layover - less jetlag - rule of thumb - 24 hours, door-to-door anyways

EASA warning .... http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.aspx?id=/article-xml/avd_11_05_2013_p03-01-633564.xml

Fly safely

Jack

post-27174-0-55460000-1430735134_thumb.j This was hysterical - luckily no deaths/injuries

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I have always viewed knowledge as being essential to make informed decisions - its what us honkeys do

If the PIC & 2IC have names like Mohamed & Iqbal, I wouldnt touch them with a bargepole - I consider

Sir Tim Clark [Emirates] to be one of the top operators in the world, slap-bang, in the middle of Islam

His flight deck is only American, Canadian, English, etc .... not muslim-one to be seen anywhere, except

paying passengers - he also saved EADS from bankruptcy by buying the big fat frog flying sausage by the

truck load - the service in Dubai is exemplary - great to stop off, shower, cooked breakfast, couple drinks

It mitigates the extra time on the layover - less jetlag - rule of thumb - 24 hours, door-to-door anyways

EASA warning .... http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.aspx?id=/article-xml/avd_11_05_2013_p03-01-633564.xml

Fly safely

Jack

attachicon.gifetihad 01.jpeg This was hysterical - luckily no deaths/injuries

All interesting stuff Jack and I bow to your level of knowledge regarding pilot qualifications and nationalities.

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All interesting stuff Jack and I bow to your level of knowledge regarding pilot qualifications and nationalities.

You are most welcome sir - glad you found it informative - whatever it takes to reduce risk, enjoy life to the full

The problem is not progress, per se, its the way that folks mismanage it - management used to keep a tight lid

on events, developments, etc - but nowadays, possibly with shareholders demanding top bang-for-the-buck,

managers, staff are ill-trained, ergo cheaper, with better returns .... or maybe the world has simply gone soft,

liberal, socialist, fascist even ... folks expect a handout, not prepared to work for it, earn it .. open to debate

Malaysia Air, Thai Air were wonderful airlines - now disgraced, bottom of the barrel - at least Thai dont have

muslim pilots, or fly over war zones ..... yet

Enjoy

Jack

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Just a comment to add about Thai Air Asia X, they only employ Thai pilots; whether this alleviates anybody's worries about flying them is for them to decide.

My flight to Seoul was on the Thai franchise of Air Asia X, an excellent flight with good service, I would fly them again.

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I have always viewed knowledge as being essential to make informed decisions - its what us honkeys do

If the PIC & 2IC have names like Mohamed & Iqbal, I wouldnt touch them with a bargepole - I consider

Sir Tim Clark [Emirates] to be one of the top operators in the world, slap-bang, in the middle of Islam

His flight deck is only American, Canadian, English, etc .... not muslim-one to be seen anywhere, except

paying passengers

Jack

attachicon.gifetihad 01.jpeg This was hysterical - luckily no deaths/injuries

Eh? Really? I can find no evidence on the internet to support statement.

All interesting stuff Jack and I bow to your level of knowledge regarding pilot qualifications and nationalities.

To be honest I'd not bow too low if I were you.

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Eh? Really? I can find no evidence on the internet to support statement.

To be honest I'd not bow too low if I were you.

given the man saying he will bow is an experienced commercial pilot with one of the worlds top airlines id say the comment was somewhat tongue in cheek .

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given the man saying he will bow is an experienced commercial pilot with one of the worlds top airlines id say the comment was somewhat tongue in cheek .

Ah, went right over my head that one.

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Just a comment to add about Thai Air Asia X, they only employ Thai pilots; whether this alleviates anybody's worries about flying them is for them to decide. My flight to Seoul was on the Thai franchise of Air Asia X, an excellent flight with good service, I would fly them again.

Excellent retort - but given the cockpit culture amongst these 3rd world airlines, a 2IC will never, ever question the PIC orders, actions, decisions for fear of losing face ... and the passengers all losing their lives - to wit the recent AAX wreck in the Indo ocean, plus leaving the 2IC alone on the Germanwings flightdeck was clearly fatal - yet that was an EASA cockpit rule [dumb/fatal] - never happen in a US aircraft

Regards

Jack

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Excellent retort - but given the cockpit culture amongst these 3rd world airlines, a 2IC will never, ever question the PIC orders, actions, decisions for fear of losing face ... and the passengers all losing their lives - to wit the recent AAX wreck in the Indo ocean, plus leaving the 2IC alone on the Germanwings flightdeck was clearly fatal - yet that was an EASA cockpit rule [dumb/fatal] - never happen in a US aircraft

Regards

Jack

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Well first off it wasnt an AAX plane in the indian ocean it was air a asia indonesia A320 plane and you are saying that no american pilot can go take a piss while flying/ or are you saying they have their own toilet in the cockpit?

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Well first off it wasnt an AAX plane in the indian ocean it was air a asia indonesia A320 plane and you are saying that no american pilot can go take a piss while flying/ or are you saying they have their own toilet in the cockpit?

Neither .... FAA [uS] does not allow one pilot to remain alone at the controls - usually a flight attendant, male/female, will give the PIC a little head

You clearly have missed the point of the narrative

https://UK.news.yahoo.com/germanwings-co-pilot-rehearsed-crash-plan-074950803.html

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Excellent retort - but given the cockpit culture amongst these 3rd world airlines, a 2IC will never, ever question the PIC orders, actions, decisions for fear of losing face ... and the passengers all losing their lives - to wit the recent AAX wreck in the Indo ocean, plus leaving the 2IC alone on the Germanwings flightdeck was clearly fatal - yet that was an EASA cockpit rule [dumb/fatal] - never happen in a US aircraft

Regards

Jack

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PIC and 2IC issues have been around for a long time and admittedly it has also been a reason for accidents with other Asian nations, Korean cockpit hierarchy being one of them.

A lot has been done to prevent these situations arising but no doubt they will still occur whilst human beings are in charge.

Flight 90 of Air Florida was an accident in '82 that occured partly due to the first officer suggesting there wasn't enough take off power yet the captain carried on regardless, miscommunication or hierarchy.

KLM at Tenerife is also possibly down to the captain taking off despite the 2IC suggesting the Captain had not been given take off clearance, miscommunication or heirarchy.

I think most accidents are down to a 'perfect storm' of events, whatever airline we are on it could be our day for meeting our maker but yes I suppose we can help ourselves by making informed decisions.

It was suggested on this forum or maybe another that a firm handshake with the captain would instill confidence in a traveler. I can't remember ever being introduced to a captain to shake his hand.

We will only know the name, sex and 'possible' nationality/religion of our pilot when he first greets us when the doors are closing or more likely at 30000', by then our fate is already mapped out which in most cases (thankfully) means arriving safely at the destination of our choice.

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